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Dealing With Death On The Homestead

February 9, 2024 by Leigh 4 Comments

I really struggled with writing this post. I am the person that takes an animal death way harder than a human one. I don’t know why, maybe it’s my job or that I have attachment issues. But when an animal dies, I am a sobbing mess. It hurts in ways that I can’t describe. If you are reading this post, you probably feel similar. While death is a normal part of life, there is no easy way to handle it. Dealing with death on the homestead for those of us that feel it deeper, it’s a lot harder.

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Dealing With Death On The Homestead

We have lost more than our share of animals on the homestead and it never gets easier. We have lost goats, chickens, our dogs, and today a duckling. To be honest, the duckling was up there with the goats. I have always wanted a duck and now that I finally have 20, it tears my heart to know that she died. But knowing why they died and how to prevent it really helps me heal from it.

Dealing with death on the homestead is understanding that livestock are not pets. But it’s also understanding that animals will die. While that doesn’t absolve the guilt or heartache, understanding that when you farm you are going to do everything you can, and animals will die anyways. But at the same time, knowing that you are going to do everything in your power to help anyways.

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Understanding The Role Of Your Animal

While this may seem odd, when you understand the role of your animal, it really helps you plan their existence. For example, when we purchase meat birds, we know that their role is to end up in the freezer. That means that we will do everything in our power to make sure that every single day of their lives are as happy and humane as possible. But we are not going to take a meat animal to the vet and waste resources.

However, our milk goats have a role too. Their role is to provide milk and future meat animals. That means that when they are no longer filling their role, we have to make the decision to sell or butcher. During their time on the homestead, we will take them to the vet as needed and care for them to make sure they are happy, healthy and raised humanely.

Because you understand the role of your animal, it allows you to make decisions based on the role vs your need to care for animals as pets or companion animals. It sounds heartless, but you have to decide if you are a homestead or animal rescue.

Why the Why is so important

When you know why an animal died, not only does it help you from a practical stand point, it also helps you heal. I think that it’s because it can be a learning opportunity or simply because it absolves guilt. Either way I think it helps us heal while dealing with the death of our favorite animals.

Texas was my favorite goat. He was unbelievably vocal and would sing to me every time I came home from literally anywhere. Whether I was gone for a 24hr shift or a ride to the grocery store, it was always the same. He would bleat at me until I came to love on him. That was the best part of coming home.

He died because of polio. Goat polio is different from human polio but basically it is caused by thiamine deficiency or sulfur toxicity. My lack of knowledge and lack of medicines on hand did not help him and killed him. As unfortunate as it was, and as much as I beat myself up about it, there is a bright spot. No other goats will die because I didn’t know what I was doing.

Voldemort was our first goat that died. His was due to an extremely high parasite load. He had an unbelievable amount of barber pole worm, strongyle worms, and coccidia. It took us several days to realize that he was as sick as he was. When we got him to the vet, she told us that he was probably going to die. The worm load was just too high. If he didn’t die from the worm load, the internal bleeding of the worms suddenly being gone would kill him. We did everything we could but he still died.

With both goats, I poured over hundreds of articles, consulted with our vets and came up with a plan for future treatment. It will never bring back our babies, but at least now we know what to do, what to look for, and what to do to keep it from happening.

Learning From Mistakes

We have lost several chickens for several reasons; overcrowding, mareks, and predators. But we are learning how to raise our chickens in the best environment for them. They have plenty of access to open pasture. They are vaccinated from the hatchery for mareks. We keep an eye on their general condition to make sure that we catch potential injury or illness before it becomes a problem.

But today, we lost a duckling. It broke my heart. I tried everything I could think of but it was simply too late. Unfortunately, we don’t know why or how. We’ve got another one that is going down the same path but we are trying everything we can.

This is life though. Even more to the point, this is homestead life. Animals will die. Whether it’s because they are meat or because they are sick, hard labors, failed hatches, and more. It happens and it hurts.

My Advice For Dealing With Death On The Homestead

The best advice I can give you is don’t give up. Yes, it is hard and some days it doesn’t seem worth it. But I promise you it is. It’s worth the heartache for the good days. I would not give up a single second of owning goats because we lost Texas and Voldemort. I will always own dogs, despite having lost so many. The good out weighs the bad, every single time.

My second piece of advise is to honor their life. It doesn’t matter if they are meat animals or a beloved pet. It doesn’t matter if they’ve been with you for twenty years or twenty minutes, that life needs to be honored. If you can, have a cemetery for them. We have an old corral that we will never use and it is perfect. Baby bearded dragons, chicks, goats, and even toads that the dogs have killed go in there and get a flower seed planted with them. That is how I honor them.

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How to Brood Chicks Inside

February 5, 2024 by Leigh Leave a Comment

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You went to tractor supply to get dog food and they had baby chicks. Of course, you had your kids with you and some how you managed to get talked into a couple of chicks. How does this happen?! The good news is, it’s not rocket science to brood chickens. But for someone who has never raised day old chicks? It sure seems like it. In this post I’m going to go over the basics of how to brood chicks inside, what we use, and other tips and tricks I’ve learned. If you want to skip most of this click the “jump to recipe” at the top of the post for my lists.

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What Do You Need?

This is going to depend on how many babies you get. But you need a place to put them, a waterer, feeder, medicated chick feed, a heat lamp with red light and bedding. That’s really it. You don’t HAVE to use medicated chick starter but I do recommend it for baby chicks. It helps prevent coccidia in your flock and that my friends is huge. Coccidia and other parasites are the number one killer of all baby animals on all homesteads, except maybe predator’s.

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When it comes to a place to put them, it really doesn’t have to be fancy. We use a plastic tote when we have to brood a smaller batch of chickens. There are 25 in here and this will only last about a week, maybe two. Once they have out grown this, *fingers crossed* they will go into the new chicken coop. You can read about our experiment with a metal chicken coop here . But they will stay here until it’s a “problem” and then they will be moved elsewhere. Usually if you are only brooding a couple up to maybe 6, this tote should be fine.

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We put this tote in our living room for a couple of different reasons. Our other chickens like to come up onto the deck. Since having the chicks, the other chickens have been jumping up on the mini fridge out front to look through the window. This is going to help when the time comes to integrate everyone into the new coop. The other chickens know that we are brooding chickens in here. George and one of black stars have taken to keeping an eye on them.

George and his ladies trying to find the chicks

While you are brooding chickens, you want to try and maintain their temperatures around 90-95*. At this age, they are simply too little to regulate their own temperatures well. Every week you decrease their temps by moving the light higher and higher. If you notice your chicks staying away from the heat lamp or panting, move the heat lamp up because it’s probably too warm for them. Another thing you can buy to help gauge the heat is a Temp gun. These things are amazing for so many things beyond a chicken brooder.

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The other reason we brood chickens in the living room is so they get used to us and our noise. We are hoping that being around us will socialize them better and we will be able to handle them more. There is also the added bonus of photo ops like this one.

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This is the first time for us using a red light for heat. Since we have reptiles, we have an abundance of CHE (ceramic heat emitters) and we used those for our first two batches. Unfortunately, we had a couple issues with our meat chicks pecking each other. After doing some research I found out that chickens are attracted to red things and they are cannibals. They will peck each other and then once they see the blood, they will kill that chick. So we got this red light and we already had the lamp with caging. But the new one is so far so good. We got ours from Tractor Supply and love it.

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When it comes to feeders and waterers, it comes down to size. When they are little, you don’t need a ton of feed and water but you do want to make sure that they don’t run out. You can find the feeder shown in the picture here. However, when that one breaks we will be switching to this one because the one we have takes up a lot of space and can really only be used for chicks. I like our waterer and we will continue to use it for chicks. When the ducks come, they will need a different waterer because they like to play in it.

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Tips and Tricks

Socializing

So you’ve got your set up, got all the things. Now what? Love on those babies! Seriously. If you want happy chicks that will run up to you, love on them. Let your kids play with them. Socialize them to the point where they are excited to see you. We didn’t do that with our first batch and it’s hard to get them to come to us. Our meat chicks however, loved us. They would come running when you came outside and they would follow you around because they associated us with food.

If you have older children, around five or so, make this their chore. Giving kids an animal helps teach them responsibility, empathy, and kindness in a way that human to human interaction just doesn’t do.

Pasty Butt

Chicks will get what is called pasty butt. It’s a thing. The best thing you can do to combat this is apple cider vinegar in their drinking water. I do about a tablespoon in each time we fill up our 5 Qt waterer. You can absolutely do more but I wouldn’t do much less. If your chick does end up with pasty butt simply take a warm wet rag and GENTLY wipe it off. If you are too rough you can damage their vent and that is fatal.

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Feeding Your Chicks

Chicks only need the medicated feed for the first bag. Again this depends on how many chicks you have and what size bag. We buy a 50lb bag for 50 chicks. If you only have 5? Get the 5lb bag. Just use common sense on how much your chicks need. Feeding them more isn’t going to hurt them but not enough could.

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What do you feed them after that first bag? Just regular chick feed. You do want about 20-24% protein until they are mostly grown, about 4wks-2months. Also make sure that it is crumbles for a while and once they get most of their feathers, you can switch to a pellet. After that we switch our laying hens to a layer feed. This keeps them from growing too fast but also have different nutrients for healthy chickens and eggs.

You can see that they have most of their feathers and now they are outside

How long do you brood chickens? About 3 weeks or once they are fully feathered, they can go outside into their coop or to free range. If it’s cold out, make sure to bring the heat lamp with them for nights. If it’s warm, make sure they have plenty of water.

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  • 1 Brooder Box
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  • 1 waterer
  • 1 feeder

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Cons Of Getting Chickens

January 9, 2024 by Leigh Leave a Comment

I will be the first to tell you that I am not a big fan of chickens. So if you are a die hard chicken lover, this may not be the post for you. BUT if you are in the research phase of chickens, or maybe you are new to chickens and looking to get some insight, I just want to tell you to use caution. There are a few cons of getting chickens.

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Cons Of Getting Chickens

I want to start this whole blog post by being completely transparent. I don’t like chickens. Like at all. I prefer ducks. Those creatures don’t get into my gardens because they are too big to fit through the fence holes and they can’t fly.

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But chickens are here for Jared and Jaxson’s enjoyment. So I am absolutely biased. Now that that is out of the way, I want you to take off the rose colored glasses or blinders and really look at chickens. We already know the pros of getting chickens, right? Eggs!

But what are the cons of getting chickens? Well, I’m here to tell you that the list is pretty extensive. Chicken poop being the top of that list. Then there’s wing clipping, they die easily, predators, eggs, sickness, they get into EVERYTHING…. just to name a few things.

So why get chickens?

Good question…. Don’t get me wrong, chickens are pretty cool creatures. They are the hardest working, most productive animal on the farm, hands down. But they come at a cost which I will go into further down.

Chickens are the gateway animal for a lot of homesteaders. They are relatively easy to care for, cheap to purchase and raise, don’t require a ton of time or attention, and you get eggs! Chickens are great to get rid of kitchen scraps, too.

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But that poop!

If you have a dedicated coop, and they will ALL go into that coop, you may only have to deal with massive amounts of poop in one spot. And it should be relatively easy to clean up, especially if you are using pine shavings for bedding. However, if you don’t have a dedicated coop because they free range, or they don’t ALL go into it, you will find their favorite roosting spots. The next morning…. after you’ve stepped in a HUGE pile of chicken poop.

My back deck is COVERED in chicken poop. No matter what we try to do, they will figure out that we have gone to bed, jump the fences and bed down on the deck…. It’s like they know. They will occasionally roost on the front deck but we are usually able to get them scattered before they bed down. They also like to roost on our bikes…. Our $700+ mountain bikes. They like to roost on the outside AC unit. If we don’t shut the door to the greenhouse? They like to roost in there too.

As you can imagine, this has created a huge hassle. Despite our best efforts, we just don’t get all of them into the coops at night. Which is a downside of letting them free range and being a victim of chicken math. And leads us into the next big con.

Clipping wings to keep them contained

This is not something that I feel good about. It’s just not. But I do it, and I’m diligent about it, because I don’t want them to escape their run or electric nets. But these creatures have figured out how to jump up and/or climb over the fencing with only one set of feathers. Even electrified fencing…. They just go through it.

I’ve tried various ways of clipping wings, and none have worked to actually keep them contained. Which is disheartening.

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Then chickens are both extremely hardy and fragile

I’m not even sure how in the world you can be both hardy and fragile but chickens manage to do it with ease. An ole timer once told me “the chicken will die of anything else before dying of old age“. And that is something I have found to be absolutely true.

Chicks are extremely fragile, if they can make out of the brooder? Then they have to run the gauntlet of not getting picked off by another chicken or predator. Then they have to make it to egg laying age before a predator gets ahold of them, or they get lost in the woods. Let’s not mention that while they can eat pretty much anything but a freaking avocado can take them out… go figure.

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And finally the biggest con of them all?

They get into EVERYTHING!

Now, maybe I have mutant chickens. Or maybe we have let them free range for too long. Or even still, they enjoy taunting me. But when I say that these chickens get into everything, I mean literally everything.

I have found chickens trapped in the wheel well of my truck, under the front deck, and in the goat barn… that they walked into.

They will willing jump into my garden to peck away at freshly planted seeds or plants, but if I even THINK about putting them in a tractor over a bed? Forget it. They just poop and refuse to eat.

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They will find the most inconvenient place to go broody and then scream at you when you get within 5 feet of them. Like, sorry dear but I have to go past you to get through the FRONT DOOR!

Or, and this is my biggest frustration, I create this beautiful temporary pen. It’s got all the grass, bugs, weeds, you could want. Plenty of sun AND shade, water and pan of fermented feed. But, NO, you don’t want THAT pen. You want to go into my garden and eat every single tomato transplant that I have lovingly tended for the last 6 weeks……

So there are a lot of cons of getting chickens in my book

I do not like chickens. I do not like eggs. I do not like the taste of chicken. These creatures are the bane of my existence.

BUT!

Before you leave here thinking that I hate these creatures. I will give you a few things that I like about chickens.

They eat spiders! If you hold a chicken up to a spider, they will nom nom that eight legged, terrifying thing like it’s going out of style.

Chickens will turn my compost for me! No extra work on my part? Sold.

They turn kitchen scraps and moldy left overs into eggs…. that’s pretty cool.

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Chickens create a TON of compostable animal bedding to put in my gardens.

Chicks are pretty cute.

They eat bugs! Watching a chicken chase a grasshopper is probably the funniest, cutest thing I have ever seen them do.

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So while there are cons of getting chickens.

They aren’t all that bad. There are a ton of ways around the irritating things they do. We just haven’t exhausted all the options. And yes, it’s frustrating but at the same time, they are the hardest working animal on this farm. So fine…. they can stay.

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How To Start A Homestead

December 29, 2023 by Leigh Leave a Comment

I can’t and won’t tell you how to start a homestead. Each homesteader is going to have different ideas, wants, desires, goals, etc. So to give you a step by step guide is pretty pointless. But what I am going to do, is tell you how I would have done it when we started. I am going to give you the tips and tricks I wish I had known prior to starting out. Because to tell you how to start a homestead would be amazing, it’s not going to work for everyone.

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Before You Start A Homestead

Before you start looking for properties, you need to set your homesteading goals. Do you want to raise or grow all your own food? Are you looking to make money? Is this a retirement plan? You really need to dig deep about why you want to start your homestead and start journaling everything.

The reason this comes first is because you are going to need to know what kind of land you need for the goals you have. When we started looking at properties, we found one that we absolutely fell in love with. It was at the top of a mountain with 15 acres and a ton of boulders. As you can imagine, living on a mountain would have a lot of challenge like, steep cliffs, rocky soil, and outbuilding issues.

Because we knew what we wanted to do on the property, we knew that doing those things on a mountain would be extremely difficult.

After Setting Your Goals

You should consider your goals with every single property that you look at. Is there enough land for your goals? Can you work the land without a lot of initial investment? Is the layout of the land going to work with your principles, goals and ideals?

If you find a property that has a ton of pasture, fencing, and outbuildings, only to find out that the land was used to grow GMO corn? That may not line up with your ideals of organic farming. While that land is already set up to farm, it’s going to take years to repair that soil.

If your property is completely raw, you are going to put a TON of work into it to get it where you want it. Our property was almost completely raw. No outbuildings, no gardens, and minimal pastures. So we have spent a lot of time and money getting everything set up. And we aren’t even close to being done.

Researching Laws On Your Homestead

If you are planning on homesteading, but your county or state laws require all sorts of regulations, make sure you know what they are before you buy that property. The sale of raw milk recently became legal in the state of Georgia. But there are a lot of regulations to go with it. Same with cow sharing and meat purchases. Don’t sink all your money into a property only to find out later that you can’t do the things you want to do.

If we had just started selling raw milk when we first started, we would have ended up in law suits with possible jail time. It’s better to know what you’re getting into before your hip deep in problems.

Start an LLC, S Corp or Similar

Research which of these business options make the most sense to you, your property and your goals. But whatever it is, get it started before you buy the first fence post, animal, bag of feed, you name it. If possible get an EIN number or other tax applications done. You want to make sure you are tracking every purchase.

This will lower your tax burden and allow you to *hopefully* get some money back at the end of the year.

I use this tracker to make sure that I am getting as much back on my taxes as possible.

After Buying Your Property

Once you’ve committed, or purchased a property, I want you to sit with it for a minute. Especially if you are a brand new homesteader! Don’t start digging a garden, building a barn, or anything else until you know what you’re land is capable of.

We knew we wanted animals, but weren’t in a hurry to get them. Until the goats. While I’m glad we got the goats, I really wish we would have waited.

Waiting On Gardens

No matter how much you know you need to wait, you want to plant more. My biggest reason for waiting was just wanting to make sure that before we started clearing huge areas for a garden, we knew what it would look like in all four seasons. I wanted to make sure that I knew where water run off would be, sunlight, and where the good soil already was.

Because we waited, we saved ourselves a ton of physical labor as well as time and money.

Waiting On Animals

This is by far the hardest thing for any new homesteader. It’s usually the first thing that we think of when we think about farming or homesteading. But trust me when I say, if you get animals before your infrastructure is set up, you will be chasing your tail for the next decade.

We brought two goats onto the property without fencing put up, shelter in place or any idea what to feed them. After we lost V, we had to scramble to buy more goats. Then more shelters, fencing, etc. That first year should have been figuring out what we wanted to do. Instead, it was a year of figuring out what we were doing.

Waiting On Major Purchases

When we first bought the property, we were going to build Jared’s shop, get a tractor, a side by side, and huge barn. Man, I am SO glad we waited. We had all these ideas and plans, that I am beyond grateful didn’t work out. That first year would have cost us several thousand dollars. But you know what we learned? We don’t need a tractor, a side by side, a huge barn, or Jared’s shop.

Would those things have made our lives easier? Abso-freaking-loutely! But it would have stretched us so thin that we wouldn’t have been able to do the other things that we wanted to do.

Because we waited, we learned that manual power is the advantage. We don’t need a tractor to haul the dead trees anywhere. We cut them into smaller chunks and rolled them where they needed to be.

Because we waited on the huge barn, we realized that smaller shacks for the animals are easier to move and easier for them to keep themselves warm.

Because we waited on the side by side, we found a great deal on a pair of four wheelers that don’t require payments.

We did realize that a barn, shop, tractor, side by side would make things easier but we could do more manually.

Getting To Work

Once you have sat on your property for a minute, and learned what you and that property were capable of, get to work.

Start Your Garden First

I will say it again and again, wait on livestock till you have your gardens in! Yes, this is a do as I say not as I DID. I say this with the experience of someone who DIDN’T start with gardens. I wish we would have waited on livestock but we didn’t.

When you are setting up your gardens, think about your goals for the garden. Are you planning on a fresh eating garden? Or are you looking to put up food for the off season? How big is your family? All of these questions are important to answer before you start your gardens.

I suggest starting with a larger space than you think you need. Without fail, and every year, we end up having to expand our gardens. Which is great, but does lead to issues with fencing, beds and having to change stuff around constantly.

Start On Your Animals

If you listened, which I doubt because I wouldn’t either, you have waited on getting animals till after you’ve gotten your gardens dialed in. Now, we get animals.

Unlike the garden, where you give yourself more space than you need, start small with your livestock. Start with ONLY the amount of chickens you need. Only get a couple of goats or cows. Start small and learn the animal before you get an entire herd.

I know you’re not going to and I’m wasting my time, but you can’t say I didn’t warn you.

Revisit Those Major Purchases

After you have learned how to do things manually, start thinking about those bigger purchases. We thought we would need that tractor? Turns out, we don’t even want a tractor. It doesn’t fit with our land philosophies.

Jared’s shop? Yes, we will be building it. But it doesn’t have to be any time soon. There are more important things to build. Like the barn.

One of the big things that we have noticed is that we need more space in the barn. We have 9 permanent does and space during kidding season is at a premium. In fact, the shuffle of trying to figure out who goes where is kind of intense. Especially, since the girls don’t like the other does near their babies. So it can get pretty hairy.

But if we had just built the barn, we wouldn’t know exactly what we wanted.

How To Start A Homestead

I can’t tell you how to start a homestead. I can only tell you the things that we have discovered since starting our own homestead. Things I wish we would have done differently but also things I’m REALLY glad we waited on.

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How We Got Into Homesteading

December 26, 2023 by Leigh Leave a Comment

We got into homesteading because we were tired. Tired of every single thing that has happened over the last 25 years. Things that don’t look like they are changing any time soon. But it didn’t start out that way. The cabin in the woods was always the goal for retirement. We wanted to have that secluded spot, away from everyone and no one could bother us. But as we witnessed more of the insanity, we decided to switch the dream from a cabin in the woods, to a homestead in the mountains.

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Why We Got Into Homesteading

Like most modern homesteaders, we got into homesteading because we were tired of the uncertainty. The uncertainty of what was in our food or where it came from. Not knowing if the shelves would be stocked. We wanted to be left alone to do the things we wanted to do. Like actually raising our kids and having a hand in their education. Raising animals for meat in a humane and ethical way. We wanted food that was healthy for us AND the land. We got into homesteading for the peace it brings.

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Kids During Chaos

We are millennials, which means that for the last 25 years we have literally watched the extreme highs and lows. We were kids during 9/11 and the following wars, 2 of which Jared fought in. We saw the collapse of the housing market and the almost collapse of the stock market. Where companies too big to fail were bailed out with billions of dollars. We saw the great recession and rise of unrest. We saw the great division of our nation. Then we saw the pandemic.

Now, we are raising our kids in a time were there is a lot of known and unknown threats, division and general unease. I am raising my boys to be men in a world were they are “less than” simply because they are boys. Where women are made to feel unsafe by men, but my boys are expected to protect. Because, as a nation, we can’t just accept people for who they are.

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We are teaching our boys about history as it was, not as it has been whitewashed to fit whatever agenda is being pushed. We are raising our boys to THINK for themselves and learn to problem solve. While this has been frustrating because they don’t do what they are told. It is amazing knowing that they will NEVER follow lock step with things that just don’t make sense.

Homesteading In Uncertainity

There are a lot of things that homesteading does. It creates a resilient and independent spirit. It teaches you that you are far more capable than you thought. But the best part? When planned “right”, homesteading creates certainty.

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When I say planned “right”, I don’t mean by following the rules. I mean animals will be born, grow and die, plants will grow and die. When you are a good steward to your resources, you are rewarded with untold bounty. That’s not to say that you won’t fail, but there is a certain amount of peace in knowing that the sun will rise and set, seasons will change, and green things will grow.

When you align yourself with what nature is already doing, and ask her to help you, your gardens will be over abundant. Your animals will thrive. Your kids will see that everything is a cycle. It’s truly amazing what happens when you start homesteading and start paying attention.

Raising Meat Humanely

Homesteaders get asked all the time, and we are no different, how can you raise something and then eat it? How can you claim to care about animals if you are going to kill them? Don’t you feel bad for killing them?

I am going to write a whole blog post on that subject but I’m just going to say this: we raise as much of our meat as possible because when we take responsibility for our food, the food doesn’t suffer.

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People get so attached to the animal, but they NEVER stop to think about where their protein source came from. Or they never stop to think about what has had to die for them to get their fruits and vegetables. For the vast majority of American’s, their food comes from the grocery store. So they don’t see what Big Ag, Big Animal, or Big Pharma is doing to the land.

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If they did, they would understand how much better our animals are raised. How there is minimal stress, absolutely no chemicals, and minimal medical interventions. They would see that our animals are happy, healthy, and thriving. They would see animals that are doing what animals are supposed to do.

Working WITH Nature To Harvest Healthy Food

On our farm, we use zero chemicals on the earth. Period. No fertilizers, no pesticides, no herbicides, and no fungicides. Accidental spills of paint, oils, etc into soil or possible run off, are dug up (where possible) and sunflowers or mustard greens are planted. Those plants are then burned.

We do not till our ground unless we have no other options. We use cover crops, animals, and organic matter to work with the nature instead of against it. When it comes time to plant, we dig a small hole to put a transplant or we use our hands to rake or dig. Then, when the plants are spent, we cut the plant off at soil level and drop the spent plant back into the bed.

This feeds the soil microbiome. Which in turn feeds us.

Our garden produces some of the best tasting vegetables I have ever eaten. Most of them can be pulled straight from the garden and eaten raw, they are that good. Our animals are given the same foods we eat. They absolutely love garden scraps and will wait at the fence, watching and waiting for their bucket of nom noms.

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We Got Into Homesteading For Peace

I think the most important thing that the homestead has brought us is peace. Every morning, rain or shine, I go into my kitchen garden. I look at my beds and dream. When it’s cold, I plan the upcoming year. When it’s hot, I enjoy the harvest. And every year, I look for ways to be a better steward to the land.

Every day, I look at my goats. I watch mommas grow big with babies. I watch babies frolic and play. I milk mommas and thank them.

In the years we have been homesteading, I have found life in the slow lane to be more welcoming, joyful and humbling.

And yes, there is stress. This is a real homestead. There are triumphs and failures. But when I go to bed at night, I am at peace.

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Episodes 13- What Is Chick Math?

December 23, 2023 by Leigh Leave a Comment

Have you ever heard the term chicken math? Well, now you have! In this podcast, I talk about all things chicken math.

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Episode 12: A Stricter Diet

December 15, 2023 by Leigh Leave a Comment

Starting A Stricter Diet

Hey Guys! It’s Leigh with Steel Raven Farms! On this podcast, we talk about all the trial and error, successes and wins on the homestead. We have been homesteading for the last several years and I have been a gardener and canner for over a decade. But as always, I am still learning and I want to take you along with me on that journey. 

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Do You Really Want Chickens?

December 5, 2023 by Leigh Leave a Comment

I know the answer is yes, you really want chickens, but I need you to know a couple things. They do not lay eggs year round, naturally. If you keep them penned up, they can get very sick. Chickens will most likely die of something else, before they ever think about hitting old age. They WILL escape and they WILL find the one thing you care about and destroy it. And to be honest, I’m not sure butt nuggets are worth that kind of hassle.

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No, I Don’t Like Chickens

I feel like that gives me a very unique lens to be able to tell you about them. Not because I am biased against them, but because I am not someone who will sing their praise. I’m going to tell you how it really is…. at our farm.

Egg Laying

There was a big to do last year, 2022, about chickens not laying eggs in the winter. Every time I heard someone say something like, It’s the food that’s causing them not to lay. Or My chickens always lay and now I can’t get them to lay…. Y’all! Chickens aren’t supposed lay eggs in the winter.

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Chickens should stop laying eggs around about of September/ October and should pick up again around January/ February. This will depend on the age of the chicken and other factors but the end result is probably going to be the same: you aren’t going to get butt nuggets in the winter.

There are ways to force egg production. Using lights in coops, on timers, can trick your girls into laying eggs in the winter. Extra feed with higher fat and protein is another good way to increase production in the winter. BUT! Their bodies need to rest. Their bodies have other things that need to happen, like molt, and they won’t be able to do that if you are forcing eggs.

So don’t get freaked out if you haven’t gotten eggs in a couple months. They are resting.

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Contained Chickens

I am a HUGE fan of letting animals do animal things. Chickens scratch and peck. They tear things up in search for the yummiest of nom noms. But a lot of people want to keep their chickens contained in coops, barns, or runs. And while that’s not a bad idea, those things are pretty stationary. Which means they are going to eat all of those bugs and greens with a quickness. Then what?

Not to mention, if you don’t have a way to keep all that poop picked up and contained? You are courting a health hazard. Too much chicken poop in your compost is going to start causing problems in there. Then there’s the human health issues that comes with being in direct contact with chickens and feces regularly.

For the most part, you are going to be safe handling your chickens and cleaning out the coop. But when you have to wear a respirator (which what you should be doing) to clean out a coop? I’m thinking that’s not a great trade off for butt nuggets.

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Chickens Are Easy Targets

Predators LOVE chickens. We are talking everything from a marten to racoons to coyotes to bears. Everything, including humans, love chickens. A friend told me a long time ago that something will get a chicken before that chicken EVER gets to old age.

And that statement is so true! I think we may have 1 chicken from original flock that we got in June of 2021. Not because we killed any of them but because they got picked off by predators, ran away, or were killed by other chickens.

Chickens are not as fragile as goats when it comes to health but they are WAY more fragile when it comes to actually dying.

They Are Escape Artists

Everyone talks about how bad goats are about staying in fencing, and they would be correct…. Except, my goats only get out of their fencing a couple times a year. My chickens won’t stay contained AT ALL. We’ve tried clipping wings, electric netting, roofing, you name it and nothing keeps them contained.

When we redo our big garden, the plan is to put them in a run, in the orchard. We plan to string up netting at different intervals in hopes that between the netting and electric wire, they will stay inside. If they don’t? They go to the freezer. I am freaking DONE with chickens… Which brings me to my next point.

They Will Destroy Things

Because our chickens, from various shipments and breeds, will not stay contained, they have absolutely DESTROYED my gardens. They have destroyed our bicycles. Our back deck stairs are ruined because of the chickens. They have ruined entire bales of hay. They have broken $100+ vials of medications. Butt nuggets are not worth this hassle!

So, you really want chickens?

I’m sure the answer is still yes. And I’m glad for it. I never, ever want to be the one to tell you NOT to do something. But I want you to proceed with caution. I want you to be prepared for the actual cost of chickens, not just the price of the bird and feed.

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The cost of chickens could be having to replace or repair deck stairs. Or entire tomato crops being destroyed.

I don’t want to sound like I am blaming the chicken. Because I’m not. I am blaming the humans on this property (myself included) because if we had put a little more time and thought into their care, maybe we wouldn’t have these issues?

So I may sound jaded, and I am to an extent, but tell me what good is a chicken, if I have no garden? What good is the chicken if I have spent hundreds of dollars on seeds and have only a few plants to show for it?

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So before you get chickens…

Really think about WHY you want chickens. Then make the decision on if they are truly worth it to you.

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How Much Do Chickens Cost?

November 8, 2023 by Leigh Leave a Comment

So you’re interested in getting some chickens. I warn you now, you will become a victim of chicken math if your not careful. But one of the ways to keep that from happening is to really understand what you’re getting yourself into. It’s not as easy as going to Tractor Supply or your local feed store and picking up a batch of chicks. How much do chickens cost? A lot.

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Before You Get Chickens

I feel like I should start every single blog post about livestock by reminding you that you should not get ANY livestock, including chickens until you have a garden set up. I also fully expect you to not listen. It’s just the nature of homesteaders.

In all seriousness, you should be prepared for chicks or chickens WAY before they ever show up on your property.

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The Chicken Coop

You have a couple options here when it comes to your chicken coop. You can go as cheap or as expensive as you want. But there are some hard fast rules that you should follow. It should be secure from predators and this includes the human variety, too.

You should make sure that it is draft free, but with good ventilation. There should be roosting bars and nesting boxes. But after that, sky is the limit. We have a metal shed that we use and we like it for the most part, but I’m not a huge fan. The metal has started to rust in less than a year and it’s very drafty in the winter and BOILING hot in the summer. We normally use it for brooding chicks since it is more secure and stays pretty warm when we’ve got the lamps on.

I would stay away from anything that isn’t made from real wood. There’s a bunch on the internet that are composite and unless it is a good quality like the decking boards. There are also a ton of places that shell really nice shed/ coops. If you can build it, that would probably be a better option because at $8,000? My girls are just find in their metal shed, outside or in a tree.

Buckets, Waterers and Feeders

You can absolutely cut corners here, but remember, the more corners you cut, the more issues you can have. For example, I would not get a tiny seven pound chick feeder for your chicks. The reality is that you are going to be filling that thing twice a day depending on the amount of chicks you have. I would get one like this, that is going last them for at least a day but preferably several days.

The same thing goes for waterers. Don’t get a tiny one. You will be refilling it all the time. We have several of these, and absolutely love them. Chicks are able to drink from them with no problems. And we don’t have to worry as much about them running out of water.

Buckets and pans are as needed but you will eventually need them. Pans for oyster shell or buckets for hauling feed. You will eventually need them.

So How Much Do Chickens Cost?

Let’s start with the coop. A decent middle of the road coop shouldn’t cost you much more than $500. I would recommend getting one with a run attached to it so that on days that they can’t free range, they have a way to get outside.

If you want a bigger run, I would recommend poultry netting. You can get the netting and a solar charger for under $600 for GOOD netting. Don’t try to save money here by getting cheap. Cheap means less protection from predators, chickens getting loose, and more. This is the netting we have and it works great.

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Your feeders, waterers, buckets, and feed will all depend on your location but should run you about $100 for good feeders and waterers. Feed should be about $15-35 depending on where you get it. I am able to get Non-GMO feed at my local feed store for about $17/ 50# bag.

Supplements will also depend on your area but for a different reason. If you have high parasite loads on your property, you’re going to want to get something for that. We use Corrid for our chicks. We also give them electrolytes in the summer because it gets so hot and humid here in Georgia.

Grand total you are looking at about $1200 before you even get your chicks. Again, this will depend on which coop and supplies you get.

Brooding Your Chicks

Before you get your chicks, you need to have a brooder that is ready to go. I talk in depth about brooding in this blog post. This could look like a large tub with a heat lamp in your living room, like the picture below. Or a metal shed and a bunch of lights. Everyone will brood their chicks differently. If we only have a few chicks, we will brood in the house in a large tub. If we have a ton of chicks, like when we bring home our meat chickens, we will brood in the metal shed.

Buying the Chicks

I would make sure that you have the coop, brooder, and supplies BEFORE getting your chicks.

Usually, you can get chicks for about $3-7 each. This is going to depend on your breed and if you get straight run. I highly recommend getting sexed chicks. This will help you avoid getting roosters and then figuring out what to do with them.

I also recommend getting from a reputable hatchery. We use McMurray Hatchery and have for years. We love them and will probably always go with them unless we don’t have a choice.

The biggest problem about getting chicks is not falling victim to chicken math. I wrote a whole blog post about chicken math and how to avoid it here. But some quick points that I forgot to mention is making sure that you get a chicken coop that will only fit so many chickens. Then making the decision, and sticking to it, that you will only have THIS many chickens. I wish you the best of luck with it.

At The End Of The Day

I can’t tell you exactly how much chickens cost. There are too many variables. But the biggest thing to remember is that a good coop, feeders and waterers, feed and the chickens themselves are not cheap. You will end up spending at least $1200-$2000 before you ever get that first egg. That’s if you do it “right”. You can go cheaper and you ca go more expensive. But your eggs will never be free.

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What Is Chicken Math?

November 8, 2023 by Leigh Leave a Comment

Have the chickens taken over your farm? Because I know they have on mine. Chicken math is a legit phenomenon that every single chicken owner deals with. It starts out as a couple of chickens and ends with an unknown number of chickens and you answering, “I have no idea how many chickens I have.” That’s Chicken Math.

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Dealing With Chicken Math

Once you get “bitten” by the chicken bug, you are going to end up with a million chickens. While that may seem like an exaggeration, it’s really not.

How You Become A Victim Of Chicken Math

It’s actually pretty simple to fall victim to chicken math. It starts with your first box of chickens. You’ve gone to Tractor Supply or ordered them online (Ps: We use McMurray Hatchery and LOVE them). You brood them inside and fall in love with them.

Then you have some die on you, or maybe all but one. Then you decide that you need a few more to meet your egg needs. So you order another box of chickens.

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Then you realize that you can get different colored eggs! You want the blue, green or pink eggs. Or better yet, you decide that you are going to get the Copper Marans that lay deep chocolate colored eggs.

You go to Tractor Supply to get feed and see that they have chicks and you decide you HAVE to have them. Only to realize that 60% of them are all roosters.

Or, in my case, you decide to start incubating eggs and end up with 20 chicks. Then your kids re-set up the up the incubator while you’re at work…. now you’ve got 40 chicks.

You do a quick head count and realize you have 100 chickens.

Justifying Chicken Math

After doing your head count, you’ll say NO MORE! I’m drowning in eggs! You’ve water glassed a million eggs, you’ve got a bunch in the freezer and you are SO OVER eggs of all kinds. You’ve Googled and Pinterest-ed ALL of the egg recipes.

So you think , “I’ll just sell the eggs!” And after selling a couple dozen to friends and family, you think, “I need more eggs to keep up with this!”

You know it can take up to 8 months to get those first eggs so you go ahead and purchase more chicks….

Now You’re A Victim Of Chicken Math

Your feed bill is now several hundred dollars a month and you’re trying to figure out exactly how that happened. You start to figure out how to reduce your feed bill because you’ve got a ton of people that buy eggs from you!

But your girls aren’t laying in the winter and now, you have to feed these girls through winter with no income from the eggs. You’ve got to start looking for ways to trim the budget because this is ridiculous.

You don’t produce enough kitchen scraps to feed them so you start a collection bucket at work or the local potluck.

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How Many Chickens Do You Need

So the obvious answer is don’t get more chickens than you need. But the reality is that isn’t going to happen, or didn’t happen. Every chicken owner KNOWS that we don’t need this many chickens. But we still buy chickens every spring because….insanity.

When you make the decision that you are going to get chickens, you need to be prepared for the reality that you will end up with more than you need. The goal is to keep that number manageable.

If you are an avid egg eater, and consume 2 eggs per day, you should have 3 chickens. If you’re entire family is an avid egg eater, you should have 3 chickens per person.

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If you only eat a couple eggs a week, I wouldn’t even get chickens. I would find someone local and support their chicken habit. The reason is the cost of keeping chickens is so high that it’s not worth it. Because those eggs are not free. While you may think that keeping chickens is a must for a homestead, it’s really not.

What To Do With Your Current Chickens

Really, we only need 12 chickens. That’s it. We currently have approximately 40 chickens and 12 ducks. We will be culling the older hens because they just aren’t laying much anymore. We also plan on selling a bunch of them. Again, we really don’t need that many chickens and they have caused more headache over the years than I really want.

If you have too many chickens, I would recommend really looking at your flock. If you have some that aren’t laying, and haven’t been laying, I would go ahead and put them in the freezer. If you have no need for roosters, make sure to get them in the freezer too.

Just remember that chickens don’t usually lay eggs in the winter! There was a huge hype a couple years ago about chickens not laying in winter and I wanted to scream, “They’re NOT SUPPOSED TO!” But I kept my cool and minded my own business.

Do Those Chickens Serve YOUR Purpose

I know that this sounds harsh and maybe a little cruel, but you have to really think about where your money is going and if you are okay with that. Sometimes that means culling animals.

My chickens are not pets. They have one purpose….Okay, they have several but at the end of the day, their purpose is to give us food. That could be in the form of eggs or meat. If they aren’t doing that, they have to go.

Save on Seeds

If you got chickens for eggs, and they aren’t laying eggs, you need to figure out if you want to spend the money on feed, shelter and other supplies on a chicken not pulling her weight. If you’re okay with that? Then by all means.

I talked in depth about putting chickens to work on your homestead here. If you’ve got a few favorites that are going to live their life on your farm, look at putting them to work. I’ve got a couple that I do actually like, and they will live their life out on our farm. Mostly, because they won’t make good stew hens either.

Save on Seeds

Chickens are a lot of work

I will never tell you, at least seriously, that you HAVE to do something. There are things that you SHOULD do, but at the end of the day, it’s your farm, your kitchen, your rules. But livestock (chickens, ducks, goats, cows, etc) are all a lot of work. There’s fencing, shelter, feed, buckets, waterers, medications, and more.

I’m not saying that I would never have chickens again. But dollar for dollar and work hour per work hour, they are absolutely not worth it FOR OUR FARM. So surviving chicken math isn’t too hard for us.

How do you survive chicken math?

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